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We Reviewed Being Prepared For Emergencies Or Disaster At The Workplace

Offline Ken K7KBJ

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Last night's session of the Northern Nevada Preppers Group Net has been posted.
We Reviewed Being Prepared For Emergencies Or Disaster At The Workplace.

Here's your link:   http://www.nnpg.net/022118_radio.shtml

Here's the chat room transcript:

7:56:15 PM
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7:57:01 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Evening ken
7:57:15 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Hi Josh !
7:58:09 PM
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7:58:17 PM
TWP
HI Ken, Josh
7:58:34 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Hi twp
8:02:07 PM
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8:02:45 PM
n7sax
Good evening
8:03:06 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Hi glenda and sax
8:03:17 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Good evening
8:04:44 PM
TWP
Hi Glenda, sax
8:04:50 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Oh man! I worry about this topic all the time. My job leaves me in charge of 4 mentally disables people and i have run scenarios in my mind as to what to do.
8:05:45 PM
TWP
Josh, does your employer have any plans on how to handle "problems"?
8:07:42 PM
Josh K7ZIM
I have made good strides as to their preparedness, ive upgraded their bobs to 5 days from 72hrs. But they all rely on daily meds to keep them healthy, so that i have no solution for.
There are plans in place for emergencies, but they are all reliant on the state or government.
8:08:44 PM
TWP
I assume they cannot stock any meds?
8:09:57 PM
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8:09:59 PM
Josh K7ZIM
No unfortunately.
8:10:50 PM
Lmedellin
Listening via scanner scanner app.
8:11:22 PM
TWP
Do your charges have a support system, such as transportation to home/work?
Hi Lmedelin
8:13:29 PM
Josh K7ZIM
We have that covered now, but in a shtf world im pretty sure not many people would be there for them.
8:14:45 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Wow Josh, that's kinda sad.
8:15:43 PM
TWP
sounds like you will be the delegated support.
Do they all live in the same location? Could you act to get them home in a crisis?
8:17:09 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Hello Lmedellin and welcome!!
8:17:29 PM
Josh K7ZIM
It really is. My 4 are lower functioning and have no ability to care for themselves so i often find myself at odds with my priorities. You always think family and friends, but i have the added thoughts as to how would i care for my peeps too. Its always there in my mind.
Twp, yes they all live in the same house. I manage pretty much every aspect of their daily lives. I have 7 staff members that work for me but in a crisis, i dont expect them to be there.
8:20:39 PM
Lmedellin
Thank you. Thinking of the elderly and disabled are oftentimes overlooked. Remembering those who might need a bit of extra support is critical
8:21:59 PM
TWP
Sounds like your in a managed care facility where your charges live, full time. How do they get their meds delivered? Can that be changed to allow on-site supply?
8:22:49 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Ya im about 1/4 mile from a hospice care center at my apartment and i wounder what will they do. I read one second after and that book gave a stark reality about that. It just makes you think.
They live in a house house. 4 peeps roomates. Meds come from a local med shop here, mail is too iffy when it comes to supply for them. Im required to have 10 days worth of meds at all times and they get 30 day supplies monthly. Its a very mentally tough job.
8:26:09 PM
TWP
I'm trying to relate this topic to my previous years of being an employee. There were basically NO plans at the work place It has been decades since I work FOR someone else. I quit being an employee and went freelance but had no plans back then.
8:27:46 PM
Josh K7ZIM
I admit prior to being a prepper, i never even considered it.
8:28:16 PM
Lmedellin
Armored glass? Whats that?
8:28:46 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Maybe he is referring to tempered glass. It's very tough
8:28:58 PM
Lmedellin
Thank you
8:30:57 PM
TWP
Many high rise building use polycarbonate plastic (Lexan) as windows. They are really tough to break.
8:31:51 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Helmets, try skateboarding ones. Way better.
8:32:59 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Home depot sells hard hats for six bucks !
you cannot break polycarbonate unless it is cooled to a very very low temperature.
8:34:01 PM
Lmedellin
Jerry mentioned the "lab"... at what point does an extensive knowlege of the MSDS come into play?
8:34:38 PM
TWP
MSDS?
8:34:44 PM
Josh K7ZIM
I think jerrys refering to a more greyman helmet. Something that wouldn't bring attention in everyday circumstances. But hardhats are still a good add.
8:34:56 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Any workplace with chemicals must have a full MSDS library available and you should always know where that is. Now, MSDS is being replaced by SDS
8:35:36 PM
Lmedellin
Material safety data sheet...... a description of all chemicals people are exposed to
8:35:41 PM
TWP
What is the acronym meaning?
Ok, thanks
8:36:09 PM
Ken K7KBJ
The new system is SDS - Safety Data Sheet
8:36:46 PM
Lmedellin
Ken....thx
8:37:10 PM
Ken K7KBJ
I used to be on the safety committee at work. HAHAHAHA
8:37:35 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
You used to be on the safety committee?
Puff puff pass Ken
8:38:01 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Yes, we rotate different employees through it
Be nice, now!
8:39:29 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Me, nice? You must have me confused with someone else
8:39:31 PM
TWP
<g>
8:39:44 PM
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8:41:25 PM
Lmedellin
Prybar.... that's a Texas toothpick, Yeah? Lol
8:42:31 PM
TWP
New York Swizzle Stick
8:42:38 PM
Lmedellin
Nice
8:43:50 PM
TWP
Jerry delivers again!
8:47:56 PM
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8:48:41 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Solar oven
8:48:44 PM
TWP
Lmedelin, this chat software is easily offended <g>
8:49:26 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Rocket stoves are easy to make out of all kinds of materials.
8:49:35 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Solar ovens rock but only during the day :-)
8:49:42 PM
TWP
Rocket stoves are fairly cheap and also easy to make from a couple of tin cans.
8:49:57 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
I've seen them but don't have any hands-on experience....yet
8:50:10 PM
TWP
I've used on at our group campouts
8:50:27 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
I've seen designs for heating the home
8:50:49 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Rocket mass heaters!
8:50:58 PM
Lmedellin
. I'm just excited to be here with non comparable technology. :) and Olympics on the ESPN app does have first priority.... lol
8:51:00 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Yes
8:54:23 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Wood pellets for pellet stoves could be an option. There are tiny wood stove/oven/flat top types out there.
And some use pellets
8:54:55 PM
Lmedellin
Aren't they fairly expensive,??? (When compared to wood?)
8:55:00 PM
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8:55:42 PM
Josh K7ZIM
They sell for a ton for around $250 here. Dont know what a cord costs tho.
8:56:09 PM
Lmedellin
$175.... ish.
8:56:53 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Wounder what a cord weighs?
8:57:21 PM
Lmedellin
Hmmmmm..... no idea.
8:57:31 PM
TWP
cords are a volume measurement, so the weight depends on the type of wood
8:58:02 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Good point! Oak is heavier than pine
8:58:16 PM
Lmedellin
^ what he said
8:58:43 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Wow, great net. Thanks to all
8:58:43 PM
Lmedellin
Thanks for having me... a genuine pleasure!
8:58:56 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Come on back !
Good night
8:59:01 PM
TWP
Ken Good Net tonight, thanks
8:59:06 PM
Josh K7ZIM
Thank you ken! Nighr all!
8:59:07 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Great net tonight
8:59:13 PM
Ken K7KBJ
Yep!
8:59:17 PM
KG7MZO - Glenda
Come back again Lmedellin

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Re: We Reviewed Being Prepared For Emergencies Or Disaster At The Workplace
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2018, 05:52:32 PM »
Thank you, Ken.
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Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, and always remember TANSTAAFL

(TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - Robert A. Heinlein)

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Re: We Reviewed Being Prepared For Emergencies Or Disaster At The Workplace
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2018, 06:13:46 PM »
Here is the kit list I mentioned during the net:

NNPG Workplace Kit

A workplace prep kit will vary quite a bit from workplace to workplace. It must be adjusted to fit the physical layout of the structure, any restrictions placed on what an employee can have at the workplace, and what the employee’s EDC – Every Day Carry items are. If some of the EDC items are not suitable for on-body carry, they can be added to the kit bag.

Also, whether or not it is likely to be able to get to one’s vehicle and the supplies carried within. If it is not likely, a separate Get Home Bag kept in the building may be necessary for after getting out of the building when you cannot use your vehicle.

Some of the list address getting out of a building and away from it. Other items are for staying in place if required. The following list is based on a male working in an urban area, in a modern multistory building, and the following EDC list. Women will need to modify the kit(s) accordingly.

Office EDC:
1)   Prescription glasses w/Transition lenses or UVA/UVB sunglasses
2)   Android Smartphone loaded with prep apps
3)   2x USB 5v power pack w/cord, 10,000 mahr or more
4)   VHF/UHF Amateur handheld radio w/spare batteries & AAA battery case
5)   2x Single AAA LED flashlight
6)   USB flashlight
7)   Redi-edge knife sharpener
8)   Whistle
9)   Pocket knife
10)   Medications in cache tube
11)   2x large bandannas
12)   Bic lighter
13)   2x large geotube w/3x each Duracell Quantum AAA batteries
14)   Gentleman’s SAK
15)   Leatherman Micra multitool
16)   Eyeglass screwdriver tool
17)   Small geotube w/eyeglass screws
18)   P-51 can opener
19)   3x Handcuff key
20)   Res-Q-Me seatbelt cutter/window breaker
21)   Slim USB thumb drive w/Smart Phone dongle
22)   Write In The Rain notebook
23)   2x Fisher tactical clip cap Space pens
24)   Write-in-the-Rain mechanical pencil
25)   Seiko SNZG15K1 self-winding watch w/compass watchband
26)   28-40oz SS Kleen Kanteen water bottle w/carabiner
27)   Bullhide belts leather money belt
28)   Leather suspenders
29)   Wintersilks V-neck T-shirt
30)   Wintersilks boxer briefs
31)   Merino wool socks
32)   Leather safari jacket w/light leather gloves
33)   Quality wide brim hat
34)   Pocket no-see-um headnet
35)   Mission enduracool multi-cool tube scarf
36)   Glock 21SF and 4 spare magazines in IWB holster/pouches

The ‘kit’:
1)   Small back pack (allows use of hands & still keep everything together)
2)   Wind up cell phone power pack/charger w/flashlight
3)   Whistle (for signaling if trapped)
4)   Head light (with extra batteries for hands free use, best if same batteries as other gear)
5)   10x Light sticks (to mark paths/provide additional light)
6)   Dust mask/respirator w/CBRN filters (to protect from concrete dust/some smoke)(CBRN threats)
7)   Safety glasses/goggles/swim goggles (or full face respirator) (to protect eyes from dust/debris, wind, cold, etc.)
8)   Quality smoke escape mask/hood (to give you time to get out when there is heavy smoke)
9)   Hard hat/bumper cap/bike helmet (to protect head/keep long hair confined)
10)   Light leather gloves (to handle tools/protect from abrasions)
11)   Surgical gloves (in case of handling injured to avoid contamination)
12)   10x Alcohol wipes (to clean up, forehead/back-of-neck cooling)
13)   10x Antiseptic wipes (to clean hands and face if handling injured)
14)   Moist towellettes (basic hygiene and as a forehead/back of neck cooler)
15)   Change of underwear (just in case)
16)   Silk insulating underwear (winter use if heat fails)
17)   Tyvek jump suit or similar (to cover office apparel)
18)   Boots/high top athletic shoes (to replace office shoes)
19)   Knee and elbow pads (for when you have to crawl along the floor under the smoke)
20)   Case, bag, or box of commercial water bottles (minimum supply if trapped)
21)   Individual water purification device or water purification bottle w/MP-1 water purification tablets (allows use of potentially contaminated water)
22)   4-way building hydrant key (to get water from outside hydrants on buildings)
23)   Folding cups (allows use of in-house water dispensers)
24)   Millennium food bars, jerky, gorp (minimum food supply)
25)   Can/bottle opener (allows access to any available food containers)
26)   Knife, spoon, & chopsticks (allows eating any available food)
27)   Cash & coin packet/credit card/debit card/phone card (allows access to in-house vending machines/pay phones if power is still on)
28)   Hygiene needs (in case building facilities are not accessible or working)
29)   Glass cutter (high rise building glass is hard to break, scoring it with the glass cutter makes it easier)
30)   Field knife (for general cutting purposes) (OKC-3S bayonet)
31)   Leatherman Surge multi-tool w/bit kit(most tools and the four outside ones open with the handles closed, add security type bits)
32)   Victorinox Work Champ Swiss Army Knife (more cutting tools, screwdrivers, etc., to get into things)
33)   Pry bar (to open elevator doors, windows, locked doors)
34)   Copy of personal id
35)   Copy of company id
36)   Phone list/contact list/ICE information
37)   Spare medications
38)   Spare glasses
39)   Spare keys

In case they might be necessary:
1)   Bolt cutters
2)   Sledge hammer
3)   Hydraulic jack/porta power

If a person has the training, the following could be considered:
1)   Elevator key (to access & safely control elevators)
2)   Building specific special tools (special window washing track climbers)
3)   Rappelling bag w/shoulder strap & equipment (used to rappel outside or down elevator shafts)
4)   Escape parachute (if in a very high building a few broken bones is better than burning)

For bugging-in add additional food, additional water, a windup radio/flashlight w/coil of wire for better antenna, sleeping bag & pad, more sanitation items, sheet plastic, and duct tape, etc.

Just my opinion.


And the fuels/stoves I mentioned:
Heat Cell:
http://www.heatcell.com/

Echo Fuel:
http://www.shop.ecofuelhms.com/ECOFuel-Can-and-Lid-Tongs-EF-45754.htm

There are several others. Search for 'Indoor Safe Cooking Fuel' and similar terms.

And my brother has purchased a Stovehenge rocket stove and will be checking it out soon.
https://stovehinge.com/products/stovehinge-collapsible-rocket-stove

One solar teakettle (about $80 shipped to the US):
http://contemporaryenergy.co.uk/solar-kettle/

There are others. Always shop around for best pricing.

Just my opinion.
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Jerry D Young

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, and always remember TANSTAAFL

(TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - Robert A. Heinlein)

Re: We Reviewed Being Prepared For Emergencies Or Disaster At The Workplace
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2018, 08:54:28 PM »
Until I retired I kinda/sorta “smuggle  built” my work kit.
I couldn’t bring a knife in with a blade longer than 2 1/8”. SO, I took a pair os work supplied scissors  with a blade length of 5 1/2” apart.  Not real good for slicing but definitely good for a weapon in each hand. I scrounged an extra laptop bag that was huge.   I had two 32 ounce plastic bottles of water and was able to bring in a metal water bottle. I talked a building maintenance guy into bringing my multifunction tool and Ferro rod. 


This continued until I had shelter/environmental protection (trash bags and 2 mylar space blankets), food, water, way to make fire, limited self protection. You get the idea.


The data center I worked at had fairly tight security for physical access so I did what I could.


I wound up with a decent GHBag. And left it at my desk ( or at least everything that I didn’t own ) when I retired.


After all, in my vehicle, I had a better set up.



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