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Title: OPSEC - How a “location API” allows cops to figure out where we all are in real-
Post by: TWP on May 12, 2018, 11:21:44 AM
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How a “location API” allows cops to figure out where we all are in real-time

Does your cellphone/smartphone reveal the location of your BOL (Bug-Out-Location)?  It might...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/senator-furious-at-polices-easy-ability-to-get-real-time-mobile-location-data/ (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/senator-furious-at-polices-easy-ability-to-get-real-time-mobile-location-data/)

From the article, this technology is being used (mostly?) by law enforcement, but with the porous nature of online databases, that does not limit access to the data by malefactors who want to learn where you've built a cache of prepper goods.

While data theft is one possibility, the companies who build these databases are also entirely likely to sell that data to the highest bidder...  Don't think this doesn't happen... Follow the money...
Title: Re: OPSEC - How a “location API” allows cops to figure out where we all are in real-
Post by: pengyou on May 12, 2018, 04:27:06 PM
It doesn't mention whether or not this can be disabled in a cell phone.  Anyone have any ideas?
Title: Re: OPSEC - How a “location API” allows cops to figure out where we all are in real-
Post by: TWP on May 12, 2018, 05:05:12 PM
A websearch gives several, OLD, articles on how to disable "geolocation" API's.  I'm not certain that is enough with newer phones.  The know their own location by triangulation from cell towers.  That location maybe stored and/or sent on request to "home".

I found no clear set of instructions on how to disable API's which monitor location.  It is also likely to be different on different phones/operating system.

I'll guess that the manufacturers Don't want you to find these instructions easily...  You are their product, after all...
Title: Re: OPSEC - How a “location API” allows cops to figure out where we all are in real-
Post by: pengyou on May 12, 2018, 05:18:05 PM
Is it a function of the phone or the grid system?  Specifically, if I were to dig out an old Nokia candy bar phone and use it, would I be protected?
Title: Re: OPSEC - How a “location API” allows cops to figure out where we all are in real-
Post by: pqtb on May 12, 2018, 05:23:46 PM
Iphones allow you to turn off tracking for most aps.  The pinging of cell towers by your phone cannot be turned off and that is what the police use.  Turning off geo location greatly reduces the value of a number of aps.
Title: Re: OPSEC - How a “location API” allows cops to figure out where we all are in real-
Post by: TWP on May 12, 2018, 05:34:53 PM
pengyou;

I suspect that even older phones kept track of your approximate location using triangulation.  Don't know for sure and I avoid the problem by not owning a cellphone.

I do use a laptop which, when connected to the 'net, certainly gives an approximate location to the curious.

I agree it is a tough call and the evidence shows that few people choose to not participate.

pqtb;

  My choice is to forgo the "benefits" of having those apps when I'm traveling.  I see many people, particularly the younger generations, who are "tethered" to their cell/smart phones.  It might be a very long leash, but a leash none-the-less.

I predict severe withdrawal symptoms if the cell network goes down...
Title: Re: OPSEC - How a “location API” allows cops to figure out where we all are in real-
Post by: pengyou on May 12, 2018, 09:49:39 PM
A vpn will go a long way towards hiding your internet presence.